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There are UK relaxations for certain circumstances regarding unavailabilityscarja said:
of a child car seat in emergencies for short journeys - but would that not be overruled by a car's official Number of Seats?
The up!'s V5C (log book) says Number of Seats (including Driver) = 4. So that's all the car's insurance covers. Five passengers (incl driver) and the Insurance is ruled invalid = car uninsured?
The old idea that, as long as each child was seated, then that was the number of children you could carry, went out with the introduction of seatbelts.
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Regardless of rules and regulations, it all boils down to care if your children.
Anyone that puts 3 children in the rear of an Up!, IMO, obviously has a blatant disregard for the safety and wellbeing of said children, and thus don't deserve to have them.
Anyone that puts 3 children in the rear of an Up!, IMO, obviously has a blatant disregard for the safety and wellbeing of said children, and thus don't deserve to have them.
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Oooh, Dave! I'd love you to be around when our Team discuss H&S and Risk Management (we're a large church of 500+ adults, children, youth and babies, meeting each week on a large County Council school premises.)
I don't think anyone would question the fact that AT TIMES - and I stress, occasionaly - one just HAS to be REALISTIC and not IDEALISTIC. And that goes very much for a busy mum (or dad) with children and transport.
Here's one example. Minibus breaks down on Motorway but it gets to Hard Shoulder. EVACUATE! is the rule. Minibus has disabled wheelchair users on board. How to evacute ....?????????
I don't think anyone would question the fact that AT TIMES - and I stress, occasionaly - one just HAS to be REALISTIC and not IDEALISTIC. And that goes very much for a busy mum (or dad) with children and transport.
Here's one example. Minibus breaks down on Motorway but it gets to Hard Shoulder. EVACUATE! is the rule. Minibus has disabled wheelchair users on board. How to evacute ....?????????
I understand your thinking. However, if you are a family of two adults and three children, and you buy a 4 seater, you're an idiot.
I understand the idea of being caught short, and needing to make do. But even that still doesn't fly with me. You make other arrangements, it really riles me people not caring for children, even if thats 'just nipping 'round the corner' with an extra child in the car. It really doesn't take much, one careless driver and that child's gone. Forever. An it's completely avoidable in 99.9% of circumstances.
Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, of course, but those that believe contrary are certainly wrong in this case.
I understand the idea of being caught short, and needing to make do. But even that still doesn't fly with me. You make other arrangements, it really riles me people not caring for children, even if thats 'just nipping 'round the corner' with an extra child in the car. It really doesn't take much, one careless driver and that child's gone. Forever. An it's completely avoidable in 99.9% of circumstances.
Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, of course, but those that believe contrary are certainly wrong in this case.
Yeah but as shown in, for example, Looper, what if that child would become, sort of, a new Hitler? And by eliminating it, you actually save a lot of lives and do a good deed? Needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, for the greater good, etc...
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