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They do indeed but if they loose say 100,000 Ups & variants a year it can't be good for the factory's economics.
Perhaps they have plans to put another model into production there. Either way, they're not going to continue producing a particular model just to keep the viability of a production facility alive.
 

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Regarding cars eventually becoming a classic, i only wish i still owned my 1979 Ford RS2000 Custom Pack, a car i foolishly sold back in 1987, mainly because of a thing called RUST.
I also owned, and heavily modified an exceedingly rare 1971 K registered British Leyland Mini Cooper S, with the 1275cc engine.
Less than 500 of those were manufactured on a K registered plate, and i modified the thing, i was young and foolish in those days.

If i still owned both cars today, i would be looking at a six figure sum in their value, but hindsight is a rare thing.
Few cars, especially the Up Gti will become a future classic, but what cheap and affordable runabout will be a hot ticket in future decades.

Either way, i will be too old to reap the rewards.
 

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The situation is confusing. VWs statements appear to confirm the Up will be electric only. I suppose we have to take them at their word, but several things don't make sense.

They say it is too difficult for small cars to meet future emission regulations. This doesn't seem logical - why would a small car which typically has the lowest emissions, struggle to meet future regulations?

Another issue which doesn't make sense is the Up factory currently produces at least 150,000 Ups, Miis and Citigos a year and only a small percentage are currently electric. How can the factory remain viable if it produces only electric Ups?

Finally, if non-electric city-cars are no longer viable then surely other manufacturers will have to stop making them too. I think I read Fiat intend to make the Fiat 500 electric only, which might confirm VWs approach. But no mention of the Panda. No news that Peugeot/Citroen/Toyota intend to end production of their city-car. No news Hyundai will stop making the i10 or Suzuki their city-car.
After all, even the bigger GTI seems to be coming...
 

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The so called residual value of my car, is a total joke of the highest order.
WEbuyANYcar ripoff merchants have valued my Gti at a laughable £9125.
If you go by that site for any car values you're an idiot as they do not represent what you would pay for a car at all, they give you bottom book so they can sell on quickly. They valued mine at near that but even worse VW themselves valued the car at £8500 (or as near as) when it was less than 6 months old with about 4000 miles on it and after full detailing.
 

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For some reason the GTi trade in values are up the pole, l guess it’s up to owners to sell the car at a price they are happy with.
 

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I think Andrew (Volkswizard) is doing well with them at the moment, noticed he's been up to Manchester today to collect a 68-plate white 5 door.
 

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I think Andrew (Volkswizard) is doing well with them at the moment, noticed he's been up to Manchester today to collect a 68-plate white 5 door.
That's because he's a low volume specialist who know his market, unlike the majority of dealerships who work only on the "stack em high, flog em off" principle.
 

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Like all car dealerships, franchised or not, ,they want to pay as little for cars in exceptional condition, and use their experience as a trader in a particular brand, to charge a hefty premium to a new customer.

I was at a loss to explain why Audi valued my very low mileage A1 SLine I had bought from them two years previously, at just under £10,000,

On their forecourt were several A1s with higher average mileage than mine, and a lower spec, with asking prices of over £17,000.

Only a mug would have sold them the car they had sold me new, 25months earlier, and I was no mug.
The market for the price of second hand vehicles has been loaded so unfairly in the dealers favour, that it's a surprise nobody has caused a fuss, but the gullible purchaser puts up with it time after time.
 

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I don't know why dealers attempting to make a profit from trade ins irks so many people. At the end of the day you are free to advertise your car privately, you're free to deal with all the enquiries you'll get, the people coming round to view it, the people haggling and knocking the price down. You'll no doubt be financially better off, but in most cases you'll work for it. On the other hand it likely costs tens of thousands of pounds each month just to open the doors of a main dealer, they have to provide a warranty for the car when they sell it on, and mitigate the cost of rectifying any problems should anything go wrong. It will cost you but it makes the process of changing into a new car much easier. That doesn't make you a "mug", it just means you value your time more than other people.
 

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I don't know why dealers attempting to make a profit from trade ins irks so many people. At the end of the day you are free to advertise your car privately, you're free to deal with all the enquiries you'll get, the people coming round to view it, the people haggling and knocking the price down. You'll no doubt be financially better off, but in most cases you'll work for it. On the other hand it likely costs tens of thousands of pounds each month just to open the doors of a main dealer, they have to provide a warranty for the car when they sell it on, and mitigate the cost of rectifying any problems should anything go wrong. It will cost you but it makes the process of changing into a new car much easier. That doesn't make you a "mug", it just means you value your time more than other people.
Someone gets it. They run a business, simple. That means there are wages, rent, taxes, rates etc etc behind the price of the car. Your beloved chariot could sit on their forecourt for months before someone else buys it, that costs and that cost has to be recouped somehow or there would be no business left.

You don't go to work for nothing (unless you can then fair play and well done) so why should you expect a car dealer to? This isn't your mate doing you a favour.
 

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Act quickly, as there's a brand new delivery mileage 6miles Tornado Red Gti up for grabs.
Selling at main dealers for just under £14,000.

Only problems it's in Enniskillen in Northern Ireland, but it looks like one of only two delivery mileage Gti in the Uk.

The other one, with 25 miles on its clock, is simply daft money at close to £16k

Why not test your VW dealership, and ask them to bring the car over across the sea, easily done via Holyhead.

No point waiting for the possible rerelease of a car, that looks highly unlikely, if your hearts set on a Gti Up, you will have to go and get it.
It is there ready and waiting GRAB IT.
 

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Act quickly, as there's a brand new delivery mileage 6miles Tornado Red Gti up for grabs.
Selling at main dealers for just under £14,000.

Only problems it's in Enniskelin in Northern Ireland, but it looks like one of only two delivery mileage Gti in the Uk.

The other one, with 25 miles on its clock, is simply daft money at close to £16k
It's also got No Options on It otherwise I would have snapped It up straight away. Shame but I want the Beats & Cruise & Park Minimum!
 

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Believe Me,the Beats system is a waste of money.
I don’t agree, I think it’s vastly better than the standard system in my Golf R. Perhaps it depends on what sort of music you listen to, the quality of the input source, or how you’ve got it all set up.
 

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Forget the options, as none of them were vital accessories.

Ive listened to the Beats system, in a nearly new High Up in Chester, last year, nothing special, and a pretty poor system, on a car that was built on a tight budget.

Now if Vw had used Bose or Bang & Olufson, as they do in other cars in the VW portfolio, then maybe it would warrant the extra cost, but Beats is a budget system, and sounds ok, but nothing to get excited about.

The fact that the boot space is swallowed up by a large subwoofer, was reason enough not to specify it.

A delivery mileage Up Gti is one very rare commodity, and once its gone, its gone.
The more i read about the new 2020 E Up! and its so called improved extended range, the more i realise Vw have no intentions of producing any new petrol derived city cars, as next years all new very stringent emission regulations, will probably make that a even greater possibility.

Sunshine Roof, Climatic A/C, Beats Sound System, Cruise Control, hardly a comprehensive options portfolio.

An Up Gti is all about driver involvement and on the road thrills, and my car has none of the above, and is a thrill a minute to drive.

Probably the very last single figure delivery mileage unused Up Gti, and being advertised at below its original asking price.

Guaranteed, that car will be snapped up pretty quickly, either by an independent dealer out to make a quick buck, or someone so keen to get hold of one, that a journey to Northern Ireland will be an adventure, with possibility of a small discount off the cars asking price, being so close to Christmas, and being the last car in stock.
 

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Forget the options, as none of them were vital accessories.

Ive listened to the Beats system, in a nearly new High Up in Chester, last year, nothing special, and a pretty poor system, on a car that was built on a tight budget.

Now if Vw had used Bose or Bang & Olufson, as they do in other cars in the VW portfolio, then maybe it would warrant the extra cost, but Beats is a budget system, and sounds ok, but nothing to get excited about.

The fact that the boot space is swallowed up by a large subwoofer, was reason enough not to specify it.

A delivery mileage Up Gti is one very rare commodity, and once its gone, its gone.
The more i read about the new 2020 E Up! and its so called improved extended range, the more i realise Vw have no intentions of producing any new petrol derived city cars, as next years all new very stringent emission regulations, will probably make that a even greater possibility.

Sunshine Roof, Climatic A/C, Beats Sound System, Cruise Control, hardly a comprehensive options portfolio.

An Up Gti is all about driver involvement and on the road thrills, and my car has none of the above, and is a thrill a minute to drive.

Probably the very last single figure delivery mileage unused Up Gti, and being advertised at below its original asking price.

Guaranteed, that car will be snapped up pretty quickly, either by an independent dealer out to make a quick buck, or someone so keen to get hold of one, that a journey to Northern Ireland will be an adventure, with possibility of a small discount off the cars asking price, being so close to Christmas, and being the last car in stock.
You don't half contradict yourself a lot. On one hand you're constantly extolling the virtues of the up! GTI, then you're describing it as a "commodity". Do you understand what that means?

As for not specifying the Beats system, your car wasn't a factory order was it?
 

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Utter rubbish my friend
Ive learnt to my cost, that ordering a new car with the upgraded sound system, is money down the drain.
I blew £1600 on the Bose sound system on my Audi A1, and the system was utter rubbish.

The car would simply not hold onto a DAB signal, and even though the sound, when you could hear it, was sublime, the radio interference, was one of the poorest ive ever owned in any car.
The reception on both my Ups is remarkable, once your tuned into a DAB station, that signal is maintained until you tune into another station, and the sound is crystal clear and more than adequate considering the budget nature of the car.

On listening to the Beats system last year, it was nothing special to warrant the extra expense, had i ordered my car from the factory.

The only option i would have gone for had i ordered my car from the factory, was the cruise control, thats a useful function on longer journeys and a thing i miss in both my Ups.

Ive had full electric sunroofs, fancy sound systems and climatic A/C on my Audi, and barely used any of them, they look nice, but the electric sunroof needs regular maintenance, and occasionally it stuck in the open position.

Its controlled by several motors, and even though its very high quality, its high maintenance as well, as the grease used to lubricate the sliding mechanism attracted dust and grit like nobody's business, and the roof used to stick open in various positions now and again.

You had to manually force it back into the closed position using gentle force, which is not something your supposed to do with an electric roof.

A high quality manual opening sunroof is the better option, but as with all technology, electric sounds better, but their a pig when they play up, and theres no manual override, if the roof gets stuck, that in my opinion, is a big error on Vws part.

A good idea i thought when ordering my new Audi, but it was £2753 i should have kept in my bank account.

I do not miss any of the options on my Gti, ive had them all on a previous car, and found i hardly used any of them, and maintaining the smooth running of the sunroof was a real headache.
 

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I’m confused, what are you saying is utter rubbish? In my opinion, and I’m pretty sure I’m allowed one, the Beats system is a good value upgrade over the standard system. You’d undoubtedly achieve better with a bespoke system and probably for less money, but some people just want the best they can get from the factory.

As for the sunroof, I know someone who has done 80k in a Passat with a panoramic roof and never touched it, not even lubricated it. It works flawlessly. I’ve had my car for 12 months and no problems with the roof.

I get that you’ve had bad experiences with cars, but you have to accept that that’s all they are, your experiences. You don’t have to justify to anyone why your car has no options on it, just be happy with it and if someone else wants a particular extra let it be.

Oh, and the commodity thing, when you describe something as a commodity it means it has no discernible difference between it and other similar products ;)
 
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