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The GTI has started a bit of a trend in the Wigit household in terms of car size.

Love the GTI but its getting a bit too much use for the daily grind and especially winter, I have raised it over winter to give it a bit more ground clearance.

I have been a massive fan of the new Jimny since images were released and had three enquiries with dealers.

It seems like VW with the GTI Suzuki have hit the same spot with the Jimny with a ridiculous demand (all be it probably artificially more than it is with multiple dealer enquiries).

A few weeks ago I got the call to borrow one to test drive and absolutely loved it as was better on road than I thought and ideal for me to use in addition to the GTI for work and an ideal promo tool for my wife's new business venture.

Suzuki are only allowing each of their dealers two for Q1 of this year and I was fifth in the queue, the other issue is the dealers get what they are given. Wife loved it but in reality was resigned to this being later in the year.

Two days later I got the call that I could have a Kinetic Yellow one (my first colour choice) in January of this year as a few people would not commit and someone else did not like the colour, needless to say I said yes and waiting to collect it.

Very much the spirit of the GTI in it just makes you smile and I cannot wait to get it before the weather turns.

This means the GTI will probably be more fast road/track in set up and become track toy and daily given the GTS is also coming better with daily use than the M2.

Feels very much like a 7/8th scale Defender or a 1:1 scale Tonka toy
 

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They're giant killers:grin:
Out of the box they'll make any new LR product look very silly.

To me they're a mini G Wagen, just sold my G Wagen, one of only 9 imported of its type. Lasted 6 days before the new owner rolled it:sad: that's what you get putting 400bhp and 600Nm through a 30 year old truck design:grin::grin:
 

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They're giant killers:grin:
Out of the box they'll make any new LR product look very silly.

To me they're a mini G Wagen, just sold my G Wagen, one of only 9 imported of its type. Lasted 6 days before the new owner rolled it:sad: that's what you get putting 400bhp and 600Nm through a 30 year old truck design:grin::grin:
I have always been a huge G Wagen and Defender fan so this just ticked the right boxes for me, I am not a SUV fan and for me JLR are just losing their way and I hope they do find it with the new Defender
 

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Two of my team had the original Jimny from r years, one of them her father also had one which was a rare automatic with air conditioning - they all absolutely loved them each only got sold when they were uneconomic to repair (the father still has his although drives it little now) as they still have all the hardware that wears/ needs maintenance as it ages.

Great cars, really like the G-klasse to but proper older ones not the pimped models you get now - somebody near me has an early 00’s LHD diesel ‘GDS’ turbo 3dr and it still looks mint.
 

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Two of my team had the original Jimny from r years, one of them her father also had one which was a rare automatic with air conditioning - they all absolutely loved them each only got sold when they were uneconomic to repair (the father still has his although drives it little now) as they still have all the hardware that wears/ needs maintenance as it ages.

Great cars, really like the G-klasse to but proper older ones not the pimped models you get now - somebody near me has an early 00’s LHD diesel ‘GDS’ turbo 3dr and it still looks mint.
Any pre 2000 G Wagen is great. Post 2001, junk. Apart maybe a G Wagen Pur (milatry spec.) Chrysler ruinined them for a while and then MB managed on their own by blinging all the UK spec. ones because Brits love trashy SUV's:grin:

Anyway you can get 4 or 5 Jimny's for the price of a G Wagen and as much as I rate them off road head to head the Jimny would beat the Merc. all day long.
 

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I looked long and hard at the Jimny. I would love one but as most of my driving is motorways I had to discount it as a heart over head thing. I did look also at G wagons a couple of years ago, the old ones. Came close to a two door one in minty green with a slow old TD which would have lasted forever. That and a 190 are probably the latest Mercedes' I would consider. Convertibles aside (not into those) anything else is a posh cab down here.
 

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Looks like a cross between a 1980's Lada Niva and Postman Pat's van but very capable for off road use but not great for acceleration, top speed, cornering, economy and all the usual things you expect on a modern car.

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Looks like a cross between a 1980's Lada Niva and Postman Pat's van but very capable for off road use but not great for acceleration, top speed, cornering, economy and all the usual things you expect on a modern car.
None of which bother me at all, its a bit of fun
 

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Of course you could always buy a used Land Rover Defender.
Preferably a good TD5 Station Wagon as you’ll need £20k+ for a good TDCi.

Like the Jimny only a bit bigger, and less economical (28mpg around town)
Also hold their value extremely well, buy at £15k look after it keep five years and likely sell for £20k.

And before replying ....don’t criticise a vehicle you’ve never driven
Jimny or Defender
 

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Looks like a cross between a 1980's Lada Niva and Postman Pat's van but very capable for off road use but not great for acceleration, top speed, cornering, economy and all the usual things you expect on a modern car.

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Driven the new Jimny have you?
Had one for a weekend. Makes a lot of sense on today’s roads but not if you spend all day on the motorway
 

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Driven the new Jimny have you?
Had one for a weekend. Makes a lot of sense on today’s roads but not if you spend all day on the motorway
No, I haven't driven one, I just don't like the look of it compared to the Up!, it's about the same length and width as the Up! but with considerably less luggage capacity so it's pretty pointless unless you like driving across muddy fields.
 

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Of course you could always buy a used Land Rover Defender.
Preferably a good TD5 Station Wagon as you’ll need £20k+ for a good TDCi.

Like the Jimny only a bit bigger, and less economical (28mpg around town)
Also hold their value extremely well, buy at £15k look after it keep five years and likely sell for £20k.

And before replying ....don’t criticise a vehicle you’ve never driven
Jimny or Defender
I’ve driven a few Land Rover’s over the years, they are a riot off road but other than that they are shocking - it doesn’t help I need to open the door to change gear...

Also, JLR products are shockingly unreliable.
 

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Of course you could always buy a used Land Rover Defender.
Preferably a good TD5 Station Wagon as you’ll need £20k+ for a good TDCi.

Like the Jimny only a bit bigger, and less economical (28mpg around town)
Also hold their value extremely well, buy at £15k look after it keep five years and likely sell for £20k.

And before replying ....don’t criticise a vehicle you’ve never driven
Jimny or Defender
I sort of understand the passion for something basic, uncompromising, iconic and for a vehicle that will never be seen again. However. I had the misfortune to have to drive or sit in Land Rovers and Defenders for many years. Either freezing, wet or cooked. They're shocking poor at most things, and compared to a lot of 4x4's they don't even perform off road either unless they're heavily modified. After market diff locks anyone? Yep that'll be snapped half shafts everyday.
Reliability has always been appalling, you need to be a fanatic to actually use them to go anywhere remote, and probably insane to travel solo (But plenty do:surprise::grin:) you may well sell it for more than you paid in a few years time but you need to off set that against the hundreds of man hours and cost of parts to keep it in a condition that you can sell.
Me? I prefer to travel without the baggage of an iconic vehicle, and to spend my money on diesel rather than rebuilding a 4 wheel Exon Valdez:kiss:
 

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Of course you could always buy a used Land Rover Defender.
Preferably a good TD5 Station Wagon as you’ll need £20k+ for a good TDCi.

Like the Jimny only a bit bigger, and less economical (28mpg around town)
Also hold their value extremely well, buy at £15k look after it keep five years and likely sell for £20k.

And before replying ....don’t criticise a vehicle you’ve never driven
Jimny or Defender
I could but this is a bit of fun like the up is, for what I want its absolutely ideal in terms of a promo vehicle and will cope for my runs to work
 

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No, I haven't driven one, I just don't like the look of it compared to the Up!, it's about the same length and width as the Up! but with considerably less luggage capacity so it's pretty pointless unless you like driving across muddy fields.
It is not a car for everyone and its lacks of practicality is why it appeals (we essentially need a two seater), its also better on the road than I was expecting which is actually why I had one as I've got to drive it, if it was woeful I would not have proceeded with it.

In reality if I want faster and better handling their are better weapons of choice in the stable to choose, but sometimes you crave a bit of honest fun!

I think if you sort of take it seriously you are missing the point, given the waiting list and demand I think a few agree
 

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Of course you could always buy a used Land Rover Defender.
Preferably a good TD5 Station Wagon as you’ll need £20k+ for a good TDCi.

Like the Jimny only a bit bigger, and less economical (28mpg around town)
Also hold their value extremely well, buy at £15k look after it keep five years and likely sell for £20k.

And before replying ....don’t criticise a vehicle you’ve never driven
Jimny or Defender
I’ve driven a few Land Rover’s over the years, they are a riot off road but other than that they are shocking - it doesn’t help I need to open the door to change gear...

Also, JLR products are shockingly unreliable.
Most Defender issues can be rectified. As mine is used primarily on road, l fitted TDCi springs, adjustable dampers, Discovery spring isolators, and RTC steering damper (improves self centering action) plus extra sound proofing

Total cost about £500

So my Defender is anything but shocking to drive on the road.

It’s actually been the most reliable vehicle l have owned, but as with any machine l think it’s because it has regular use (all day every day)
And not sat around as a second vehicle.
 

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Me? I prefer to travel without the baggage of an iconic vehicle, and to spend my money on diesel rather than rebuilding a 4 wheel Exon Valdez
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MyDefender does around 28mpg

My Transit Connect van managed 32mpg and l lost £10,000 in depreciation over six years.
Prior to that l had a Kangoo van which did 38mpg
But l lost £8,000 in depreciation over five years.

The Defender is currently worth around £4,000 more than l paid for it, despite me putting 50,000 miles on it over four years.

Maintenance has been around £1,000 per year.

Exxon Valdez? Not if you look at the bigger picture
 

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Most Defender issues can be rectified. As mine is used primarily on road, l fitted TDCi springs, adjustable dampers, Discovery spring isolators, and RTC steering damper (improves self centering action) plus extra sound proofing

Total cost about £500

So my Defender is anything but shocking to drive on the road.

It’s actually been the most reliable vehicle l have owned, but as with any machine l think it’s because it has regular use (all day every day)
And not sat around as a second vehicle.
I’d prefer it if the manufacturer had taken the opportunity over 50+ years of development to manage that - none of which fixes the joke driving position; still, I found a Disco 2 TD5 equally as uncomfortable so it’s clearly a family trait.

Wife’s cousin had an Evoque that lived at the side of the M40, replaced it with a Disco Sport with those immortal words ‘they can’t all be built on a Friday’ - it appears they are, it’s been back 17 times for warranty claims/ faults and has a fault they can’t diagnose which has the engine genuinely sounding like a bag of bolts.

A friend has a Disco Sport that’s been in a fair few times including a clutch replacement at 6k.

A work colleague has a completely reliable Freelander II, she mentioned to her specialist she was thinking of getting a newer one and his advice to her was that she had the Land Rover rocking horse poo, a reliable one - keep it.

I understand the green oval ‘thing’ but wouldn’t have one.
 

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Me? I prefer to travel without the baggage of an iconic vehicle, and to spend my money on diesel rather than rebuilding a 4 wheel Exon Valdez
MyDefender does around 28mpg

My Transit Connect van managed 32mpg and l lost £10,000 in depreciation over six years.
Prior to that l had a Kangoo van which did 38mpg
But l lost £8,000 in depreciation over five years.

The Defender is currently worth around £4,000 more than l paid for it, despite me putting 50,000 miles on it over four years.

Maintenance has been around £1,000 per year.

Exxon Valdez? Not if you look at the bigger picture[/QUOTE]

If you know what you're doing (which you obviously do) I agree with the economics. Quite possibly the cheapest car ever to run:smile:
Early G Wagens fall into to same category, I bought my first (one owner, full MB dealer history) for £650. No one would touch them then, terrified of the percieved complexity and cost of ownership. By the time I'd sold the genuine Merc. side steps it cost me £350. A good friend twisted my arm 5 years or so later and convinced me to do a straight swap with a 4 year old Shogun:surprise: (I'd got another G Wagen by then) not that I wanted it but he was determined. A good one of that era is now circa £25k+ But as per Defenders, unlike any other appreciating classic, you can use them day in day out.
Apologies if I came across too derogatory:sad: I do like Defenders. But only to look at, not own:grin:
 
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