…because ‚written on the sidewalls‘:

Do I have to drive ‚rofl‘-tires (run on flat) without inflating…??? 🤔🤪😂

Greetings, Dirk

 

I often say (in other places), the truth is one thing, but whatever makes you happy is another, and maybe more important.

 

Good points, and I'd also add when, really in life, have you known someone just shell out decent money on something/a punt, and then said 'you know what, what I've just bought is not that good'? About as many times as someone saying 'you know what, I'm not a good lover'.
I'm wondering if we're predispositioned to like/talk up/convince ourselves what we've just spent our hard earned coin on.
In my case, I own it. I'm not a victim. I should have listened to my own red light warnings of prior experience of PS5 on another car, when I thought (and my Mrs, 'blindly'), that they were no way as good as ps4. I listened to the 205 changing tyre size talk, and the PS5 talk regarding this car, and got 'seduced' by de facto internet talk of mesmerising differences. But I own in. My decision.

 

Sadly, many car things like tyres, oil, etc are analogous to things bought by HiFi fans, firstly, as a consequence of the industry covering everything in foo-foo dust, and secondly a well-documented bit of psychology where almost everyone is predisposed to accept that a more expensive (or even just shiny and new), or very-hyped item is better. It may be, bit it's surprising how often a blind test (just the term, not driving like some out there) reveals truth.

As an aside, yesterday I was reading about an "audiophile network switch" that improved the "audio experience". Without giving the boring details, this is so obviously not true, I was spluttering. So a serious guy, with serious test gear published a comprehensive set of measurement that showed a switch that was 1/100th the cost of the audiophile one had absolutely identical performance for digital audio listening. A major reason why certain products cost more is often the marketing budget, which really does produce results in terms of profit. Sometimes, measurements to check a published specification, where a spec or claim exist, is as good as it gets. We are barraged by reviews full of adjectives instead of numbers, or inapplicable generalizations, all too often.

I'm not saying saying all tyres are the same, which would be dumb, but I do agree it's hard to conduct any objective apples-for-apples tests, that are applicable to just one model of car - there are way too many variables to really know what is "best", so caveat emptor...

In my case (only having a Skoda), I roam the streets to collect those red rubber bands dropped by posties. WIthin 2 years, I usually have enought to "roll my own" tyres, but they are a poor colour match for my black car.

 

My record player has dolby ..............

 

Thing is, 'objective' tyre tests test tyres on different cars to one's own, and different tyres can 'feel' different on different cars. If there was an up! gti mass tyre test, where a reviewer 'blindly' tests umpteen tyres in 195 and 205 sizes, maybe. But they're anything but.
Also, it kind of might be done to death with people spending money and naturally them being inclined to 'like' their choice, the more reviews on tyres for this car the better. I certainly wish a view 'like mine' was available before I purchased mine, as opposed to Pilot Sport 5 apparently being the best thing since sliced bread.

Old School 8v above^ commented on Hankook s1 evo. I presume 195 size? I'd considered them (after after fitting vanilla Pilot sport 5, I kind of wish I had). I really wanted Yoko Advan Fleva in 195s, but they haven't been available for a while and still aren't. I'm wondering if they've deleted them in 195. Anyway, as the s1 evo have been around since the dinosaurs ruled the earth, I feared having a minging old tyre date on them when I got them from Blackcircles (I'd had a similar experiment buying an older gen tyre in the past).So I passed.
So imo, with definitely worse fuel economy and hardly any-if any- solid improvement over so-called ditch finder Landsails, I wouldn't recommend vanilla pilot sport 5. But this may also be due to the 205 size. So again against the grain, but imo, after 200 or so miles, I wouldn’t recommend PS5 nor changing tyre size from 195s in the first place. In my case, marginal if any improvements and with fuel economy hit and insurance factored in, a nice £80 or so ongoing penalty annually to go with it.

 

 

I think this subject has been done to death, we all have our opinions - I use objective tyre test results to decide which tyres to buy

 

Hankook s1 evo all day long them Goodyear vw put on it should be nowhere near the car I just spun everywhere with them worse tyres I've had on any car .

 

I've still got PS5's on and I'm happy.

But as it's for road use only / the grip levels in this car are so high (coilovers) / never really get chance to drive it properly (mainly town and motorway driving), when I have to change again I will probably prioritise comfort over grip.

 

if you’re looking for “Summer-only” tyres or something to occasionally track, may I recommend Nankang NS2-R tyres? They can be a touch pricey but they are the best rubber I’ve used. Until the temperature drops or there’s some moisture in the air, semi-slicks aren’t the best then

 

Seems like another sensible solution. All seasons are often a bit quieter than summers on coarse tarmac, and a bit more compliant. Agreed there's no point going to summers on 16's if you're happy with the setup you've got now.

 

I think the only negative I’ve found so far is it’s a tiny bit less sprightly off the line. Past 10/20mph though it’s back to normal. Assuming that’s a combination of a slightly softer compound/slightly wider tyres.

 

Just ’pulled the trigger’ on some Pirelli cinturato all season sf3 tyres. 205/40/17.

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replaced original Goodyears on the front and Pirelli p zeros on the rear. When I put the p zeros on the rear a few years ago I didn’t really notice much difference.

These cinturatos have made a noticeable improvement to the ride. Bumps and pot holes are significantly less harsh.

The car is predominantly used for ‘town work’. 95% of the time it’s being driven less than 30mph. Handling is really nice at low speed. Managed to give it more enthusiastic thrash today at speeds His Majesty’s government would frown upon. Got a bit squirrelly at times but it was a bit greasy out.

Was considering getting a set of 16 inch summer wheels and tyres, but based on what it’s going to do/my experience so far I don’t think I’ll bother.

 

The now discontinued E Up was not a heavyweight vehicle, so could get away with normal road tyres
Its the much larger EVs, such as Teslas, Porsche Taycan, Jaguar I Pace, and similar sized vehicles, these cars i believe need specially manufactured tyres, with a higher density rubber compound, to withstand the considerable weight difference, over normal ICE cars.

I know the current Porsche Taycan needs a specific Pirelli P Zero tyre, made out of a different grade rubber to a standard tyre, and their nearly £450 each.
Due to the vehicles increased weight, your lucky to see 15,000 miles out of a full set, which is annoying, even for someone who can afford to own and run one.

 

AFAIK you just need the right size, and the appropriate load rating (and speed rating); I don't think an Up! EV in particular has a "special tyre"...

 

Correct me if im wrong, but don't Evs require a specific tyre, due to the vehicles inherent weight
Ive seen various videos, where owners look on in amazement when presented with a larger than average bil,, when buying new tyres for their car.

I dont think standard tyres are suitable for modern Evs, due to the increased weight of the cars.

Your lucky to get 10 maybe 15k out of a set of tyres on a EV, not far off a years average driving for many drivers

 

Correct me if im wrong, but don't Evs require a specific tyre

Not Quite.

There can be tyres specifically made and marked for BEV's.
T0, T1 marked for Tesla is a good example.

You don't need to fit these.
A lot of them might have the acoustic foam inside.

Most of the big tyre brands latest tyres are now marked as EV ready.
You find that the weight that the tyre will carry is set by the size of the tyre.
Although this might be the XL version.

VW ID3 rear tyres come with 5mm tread from new, and can wear out in less than 10K miles.
Had some that were changed at 6K miles from new.

Thanks. UP SI

 

I agree. As long as the tyres are round and cheap they are fine for me. I did try square tyres which were on special offer but the ride was too harsh. Its like those who must have designer clothes, but Primark is good enough for me. Primark T Shirts, Jumpers and after shave are all excellent.

 

T-D - Owing to a damaged tyre at the front, I recently bought a pair of the usual Kumhos for the front. Good price from Camskill, and they are A-rated in the wet. They seem to drive fine, but then new tyres always seem excellent compared with whatever you took off that was even only part-worn (once the contact surface has been a bit cleaned off the new tyres).

I don't drive track-days (and I get that tyres for that may be crucial). I don't drive around in the belief that being on or near the limit of adhesion on a public road is a good idea. I'm not bothered by small nuances in handling feel, being as a change of tyre pressures can in itself make a huge difference. I may often need to pull up sharpish, especially in the wet (common here) because (maybe) 50% of other drivers are really too stupid to be allowed to use any kind of powered machinery, so it's soemtimes down to me to do the driving for them... So maybe wet braking is important.

I could have spent double, but even if I cared, I doubt that would give me a doubling of the tyre life over these Kumhos or a halving of my wet braking distance.... I'm not any kind of Kumho fan per se - any "deal of the day" on A-rated wet tyres would be fine for me.

 

Other (usually marginal) features of major brands of tyres aside, it seems to me that if I paid say, 30% more for tyre that only gave me 15% more mileage, I probably would not bother. Any sensible test ought to be about cost/benefit.

 

That is so true. Kumho Tyres are mid range but they were excellent on my Smart. 10 years old and still perfect.

Just like EVs. The makers love to say how much money you save compared to ICE cars, but do not mention the cost to buy the car in the first place. Take the new Mini as an example. the basic petrol costs £23 000. The basic Mini EV £30 000+. They are also worth much less on the used market so bad news for the original owner but good news if you are buying used.

I would still be interested in an EV as i like the idea of no exhaust to replace, no cam belt, etc but the price of an EV would have to be the same as a petrol car or less. Plus the extra cost of having a wall box fitted at home. Perhaps Hybrid is the way to go. The new MG3 Hybrid gets good reviews.

 

According to all the latest tyre reviews, the best all round tyre for wear, is the current Pilot sport 5.
Their even supposed to be better than the older Pilot Sport 4s.
In independent tests, they managed nearly 30,000miles of spirited driving from them, and no doubt they punish them to a far greater extent than any of us here.

Some tyres perform better in the wet, and dry, especially the Continentals, and Bridgestones, but for outstanding wear, the Michelin Pilot Sport 5s come top in just about every tyre review.

 

Sorry to hijack and bump and old thread but tyre sizes is something I’m not great at. I’m looking at some 17x8” wheels, what would be the ideal tyre width and what would be narrowest tyre width without a crazy stretch? I apologise if there’s a website that gives this info or if im just being a dumbass

 

Min/Max Tire Size For Rim Width
Even if those wheel fitted in the arches you would completely ruin the GTIs handling unless you are looking for something to thrash round the track

8.0″

215mm

225-235mm

245mm

 

Thanks, that's very helpful. I agree that a bit of over read is good, my brain is too old to remember the speedo is showing true when I get in this car after driving others.

 

Correcting the speedo with vcds is an interesting point. I would be tempted to go to 205/45 on the factory 17s if I knew I could keep the speedo legal. Look at that lovely sidewall and the kerb deflecting bulge. Phwoar !

PS great tyres. I've got very similar hankooks on my Tiguan and they're grippy and quiet and pliant.

 

Thanks tsi17,
If you are in possession of VCDS it is easy to do.
I did lots of testing under different speeds and this is my result.
Under 17-instruments / coding - 07 / long coding helper / Bit 03
Original setting is 01, on 03 setting speed mach with GPS but for my preference i change to 04 as this gave me more/less same speed tolerance as stock ( underspeed for - 2 miles )

 

Hi All,
Just replaced stock good year tyre with hankook ventus s1 evo 3 205/45/r17
Ride quality has been improved dramatically, road noise, potholes and speed bumps are more settled.
Only for my observation the new tyre compared with stock did lose steering direction for a bit (feedback from tyre) but nothing major.
Yes, new tyre is bit bigger and speedo was of for +4 miles but this is corrected with VCSD
I had a problem driving on wet with old tires as I felt like driving on ice, no grip at all and driving on motorway noise was horrendous in the cabin, all gone with hankook tyres.

 

Don't worry - the levelling-up agenda promises to fill every third pothole by 2033.

 

I have a air pressure pump , this one https://www.amazon.co.uk/Ring-RAC61...ure&qid=1680102758&s=automotive&sprefix=ring+air+pres,automotive,76&sr=1-5&th=1
i checked all the tyres and no loss so who knows, the roads are in terrible condition around here now ...

 

Do you have a pressure gauge in the car ? I have been quite pleased with this one:

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