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In fairness my friend I would rather still have my mum around still and not have it, but she new I had wanted one and left me something in her will to get me over the line to get one, which is why it sports her initials and life is to short. You may have experiences a similar thing or have yet to do so may one day understand, yawn!

If you don't like the posts just do my a favour and block me so you don't have to read them.

If I did just have the GTI I would have the same approach to if it went pop irrespective of what else I had to drive.

It is relevant when modding especially to how far you want to go and the risk you want to take if goes wrong and in reality I have a great network of specialists to use if it does and in reality turbo is always going to be the risk area.

I have no issues with Stage 1 on the up! as plenty of mapped cars around before I did mine which had not gone pop from tuners that were not my first choice. Would I go Stage 2 probably not as I feel i would be stressing things for marginal gains on the car , also every time I have gone Stage 2 the novelty wore off after a year living with a full exhaust after a year.

I have said my VW dealer for years and last service (not mapped) they made a comment on the car having modifications which may affect warranty and that was exhaust and suspension, first time in years and made my decision to go independent specialist for servicing.

There is the added complication of finance agreements etc if things happen etc, well documented with some chap on the interweb and his BMW, people do thing it ill not happen to them.

Seeing friends go down the route and having cars off the road in bits in the garage as they wait to get it back together is not fun or nice to see.

I think the up! will the last car I probably modify given the way things are going as Golf GTI and Golf Rs with toys are well into the ÂŁ30K market.
 
I'll take your advice.
Fact is there are people on here who have maybe an 8yr old 60bhp UP which to them is thier only mode of transport and if it suffers a major complication they don't get to shrug thier shoulders. It's a big issue, maybe thier livelihood, maybe a big family sacrifice....

Zero class, my "friend"!
 
Fair comment, I've worked extremely hard myself, and can fully understand some owners concern about modifying their cars.

On last count ,there have been nine separate VW vehicles in our family, the first being a 1970 fastback.

On recollection, I cannot remember having any mechanical issues with any of them, and the March 2004 Lupo has been totally reliable, it's never failed to start, never broken down, and apart from two brake discs, , a rear wheel bearing and recent exhaust, every other mechanical part is original.

This is why I have confidence in remapping the GTi whilst still in warranty.

For me, the chaps in Wolsberg know how to build a motor, and their engines are pretty decent as well
 
Just worked it out, the Gti is number 11 , in the number of VWs we have owned since early 1970.
I cannot comment on other members reliability issues with their cars, but no emissions scandal, or tricky dickey emission software, would put me off buying any VW product.
 
It's called a "humblebrag".
I don't think it is to be honest. What Wigit is saying is that the only way to approach it is with your eyes wide open, and be prepared to suffer financially if things go wrong. Simple fact is that things going wrong on an up! is going to cost significantly less to put right than things going wrong on a Porsche.

Ed463 is just another example of someone with a huge chip on their shoulder. I had a similar reply because I compared my experiences with my up! to my Golf R. Seems some would prefer we didn't own other cars.
 
I don't think it is to be honest. What Wigit is saying is that the only way to approach it is with your eyes wide open, and be prepared to suffer financially if things go wrong. Simple fact is that things going wrong on an up! is going to cost significantly less to put right than things going wrong on a Porsche.

Ed463 is just another example of someone with a huge chip on their shoulder. I had a similar reply because I compared my experiences with my up! to my Golf R. Seems some would prefer we didn't own other cars.
Tbh i get bored of hearing what people have or haven't owned and signatures full of cars etc etc. It's just another form of flexing, another look at me statement.

If the statement was "if you can afford the repairs then go for it, if not then don't" then that would be enough. But instead you get the "i did it to my cheap car because i wouldn't do it to my other expensive car" followed by the other one saying he has 5 cars on the drive and what a hassle it is to manage them all, if you can't see why that comes across as crass then... It's fairly obvious that to repair a car worth ÂŁ14k new to a car worth north of ÂŁ70k (guess), it doesn't really need saying.

I'm with Ed on this one. Some people will have bought their car with everything they own and are rightly cautious, some people have it as their daily car and couldn't care if it breaks. Just remember this, what is normal to you is someone else's dream.
 
I'm with Ed on this one. Some people will have bought their car with everything they own and are rightly cautious, some people have it as their daily car and couldn't care if it breaks. Just remember this, what is normal to you is someone else's dream.
Isn't his advice ("If you you can't afford to pay if it goes wrong don't play") even more pertinent then?

I think you're both taking it the wrong way to be honest. You've mentioned owning a Porsche on here a few times and I don't remember anyone taking umbrage.

Anyway, perhaps best to get back on topic.
 
Isn't his advice ("If you you can't afford to pay if it goes wrong don't play") even more pertinent then?

I think you're both taking it the wrong way to be honest. You've mentioned owning a Porsche on here a few times and I don't remember anyone taking umbrage.

Anyway, perhaps best to get back on topic.
The difference is that it gets mentioned if it's relevant to the post, not in a post about getting your bloody remap which has been done to death on here so much so it's like groundhog day.

Get it remapped or don't. Yes, you'll void your warranty on the drivetrain but you'll be able to willy wave at other owners who haven't had the map done while gloating about your now slightly quicker car.
Yes, it makes a difference and yes the car will pull harder but we're not talking rocket ship here because if you really, really do push it then the TCS system will kick in really early and rob you of all that power you've spent money voiding your warranty on anyway.

For people on the fence, is it worth it? No, not for most folks who will just trundle to work and back etc every day. Was it worth it for me, yes but i travel into Europe 3 or 4 times a year and their speeds limits on autoroutes are a lot higher than ours and i wanted a car that wouldn't struggle to do that.
Will you notice it? Yes. But not to the point where you get pinned into the seat, it just pulls a bit better in the mid range mostly. You'd get better results from spending the same on a good set of tyres quite honestly.

It will cost you roughly ÂŁ400 and yes VW will know as they'll see the changes when you take it in for a service on their diagnostics equipment so even if you use one of those box things then they'll know.
 
The way i see it, is that tuning companies, such as JBS in Chesterfield, have approached specific talented software writers, to produce a unique piece of software that is designed to improve the efficiency of the Vw TSI engine.

The software was fully tried and tested, before it was ever allowed to be used on customers vehicles, and i have not read any negative reports from Up Gti owners who have used JBS services.

Milltek, the respected exhaust manufacturers, thought that the small Up Gti would be an ideal vehicle to experiment on, with the design of a cat back system for the car.

They used JBS, and had nothing but praise for how it transformed the already fun GTI.

Its all up to the owner, to make their own decision, on whether to have their cars engine retuned, for peak efficiency.

If they are ffraid and have never had one of their vehicles remapped before, then at least visit a respected tuning business, and discuss their worries or concerns.
If they still feel uncomfortable about the process, and are afraid about invalidating their warranty, then wait until the car reaches its third birthday.

Its a bit silly preaching to members here, about the dreaded pitfalls of blowing up your engine if you get it mapped, unless you have prior experience of such a calamity.

The Up Gti is my fourth vehicle to be retuned or remapped, and in the future, whatever car i decide to own, i would gladly remap it.

If you have concerns, then simply do not do it, but if your still interested, then at least discuss your concerns with people who do know what their talking about.

All i can say, is that i am more than happy with the JBS results on my car, and can recommend the company to anyone thinking of having their car tuned.
 
As you have said about 100 times since the work was complete hence my comment about groundhog day. We get it, you went to JBS and you had a Milltek exhaust on. Please tell me again in another elongated post before too long about your JBS remap and Milltek exhaust and how it's made a huge difference. (Do you get paid to mention them that often?)

Broken record.
 
As you have said about 100 times since the work was complete hence my comment about groundhog day. We get it, you went to JBS and you had a Milltek exhaust on. Please tell me again in another elongated post before too long about your JBS remap and Milltek exhaust and how it's made a huge difference. (Do you get paid to mention them that often?)

Broken record.

I did wonder when someone would mention it
 
Isn't his advice ("If you you can't afford to pay if it goes wrong don't play") even more pertinent then?

I think you're both taking it the wrong way to be honest. You've mentioned owning a Porsche on here a few times and I don't remember anyone taking umbrage.

Anyway, perhaps best to get back on topic.
You're either deliberately taking his comments out of context or it's hit a nerve, or worse still you're oblivious to the context.
Chip on my shoulder, ROTFL.
"If you can't pay, don't play" is a valid statement. That most definitely isn't what I commented on.
 
Up Gti, i know you get it, but others here, are still in the mindset, where the very word REMAPPING, indicates guaranteed damage to your vehicles engine, and untold calamities throughout the cars life on the road.

Also, you appear not to have listened to a single word ive said.
I have yet to install my Milltek system, and my Bilsteins are still in their box, as are my OZ wheels.

All i have done to my Gti, is to have it remapped, and i am chuffed to bits with the result, even though the car has not turned a wheel in almost two months.

I just hate listening to people who have no prior experience of remapping their car, and trying to dissuade others from doing it.
 
The way i see it, is that tuning companies, such as JBS in Chesterfield, have approached specific talented software writers, to produce a unique piece of software that is designed to improve the efficiency of the Vw TSI engine.

The software was fully tried and tested, before it was ever allowed to be used on customers vehicles, and i have not read any negative reports from Up Gti owners who have used JBS services.

Milltek, the respected exhaust manufacturers, thought that the small Up Gti would be an ideal vehicle to experiment on, with the design of a cat back system for the car.

They used JBS, and had nothing but praise for how it transformed the already fun GTI.

Its all up to the owner, to make their own decision, on whether to have their cars engine retuned, for peak efficiency.

If they are ffraid and have never had one of their vehicles remapped before, then at least visit a respected tuning business, and discuss their worries or concerns.
If they still feel uncomfortable about the process, and are afraid about invalidating their warranty, then wait until the car reaches its third birthday.

Its a bit silly preaching to members here, about the dreaded pitfalls of blowing up your engine if you get it mapped, unless you have prior experience of such a calamity.

The Up Gti is my fourth vehicle to be retuned or remapped, and in the future, whatever car i decide to own, i would gladly remap it.

If you have concerns, then simply do not do it, but if your still interested, then at least discuss your concerns with people who do know what their talking about.

All i can say, is that i am more than happy with the JBS results on my car, and can recommend the company to anyone thinking of having their car tuned.
Just to try and help you to understand the basic concept of what remapping actually is, first of all, you’ll need to understand that there isn’t any software writing involved whatsoever. It’s about editing a dataset, with certain key parameters, mainly boost pressure, being determined according to the feedback from various other variables.

With regards to your suggestion that a fellow Up! GTI owner could decide to have their engine “retuned“ for peak efficiency, and with this comment I assume you are also of the misconception that the remap you had carried out has increased engine efficiency, this is also not the case. (Note: volumetric efficiency and engine efficiency are two completely different things.)

The modification you paid to have carried out on your vehicle (despite misunderstanding what you were paying for) has increased boost pressure, and also fuelling commensurate with that increased boost pressure so as to increase the charge volume and hence volumetric efficiency. This despite one of your previous postings in which you informed us that a man employed by or representing your favourite “tuning” company told you that they haven’t increased the boost pressure.

I’ve yet to read any replies preaching to members here of the “pitfalls of blowing up your engine if you get it mapped”, but would be interested to read those if you can point me in the right direction.

Another misconception you seem to have is that the only reason someone would choose not to have their car remapped is through fear ! - Fear of catastrophic engine failure or being faced with a bill they can’t pay.

Everyone has different priorities in life, and although I chose to buy an Up! GTI, I have absolutely no interest in having it remapped and as I have commented before, would not do so even if it was free, and it didn’t invalidate the warranty. It just isn’t something of a priority or that I am desperate for, although I know that may be a little difficult for those who have an insatiable desire for more power to understand. If I wanted a car with more power, I would have bought a car with more power.

With the above being said, I have absolutely nothing against remapping, although I’m well aware that there are many who are excited by the prospect. My comments regarding warranty and insurance implications are simply made with the intention of better informing those who are desperate for whatever additional power increases they can achieve and who may be looking through rose tinted glasses without properly considering all implications. One such implication that has yet to be mentioned with regards to remapping and other modifications is the negative impact on the resale value of the vehicle, which is rather surprising as this seems to be such a hot topic at the moment.

Before the flames start, of course it doesn’t require a great mind to understand why a nearly new car that is void of manufacturers warranty because it was invalidated by the owners obsessive desire to go faster is of significantly lower value than an unmodifed one of identical condition and mileage. However, I would imagine that those who are unscrupulous enough to withhold such information from their insurance company would also omit to declare their remap to a prospective buyer, for reasons they know very well.
 
Just to try and help you to understand the basic concept of what remapping actually is, first of all, you’ll need to understand that there isn’t any software writing involved whatsoever. It’s about editing a dataset, with certain key parameters, mainly boost pressure, being determined according to the feedback from various other variables.

With regards to your suggestion that a fellow Up! GTI owner could decide to have their engine “retuned“ for peak efficiency, and with this comment I assume you are also of the misconception that the remap you had carried out has increased engine efficiency, this is also not the case. (Note: volumetric efficiency and engine efficiency are two completely different things.)

The modification you paid to have carried out on your vehicle (despite misunderstanding what you were paying for) has increased boost pressure, and also fuelling commensurate with that increased boost pressure so as to increase the charge volume and hence volumetric efficiency. This despite one of your previous postings in which you informed us that a man employed by or representing your favourite “tuning” company told you that they haven’t increased the boost pressure.
Good technical answer, I 100% agree.

I did try and explain a similar thing to a previous post on this or a similar thread.
 
A nice and interesting review, but as I have past prior experience in the remapping of my past three cars I've owned, including my current Gti, I am still in the frame of mind, that it's a modification worth undertaking.

Just do your research, and choose the tuning company very carefully.

All I can say, is all my previous vehicles were totally reliable, and gave me no mechanical problems.

Unlike most of my cars, I put on nearly 78000 miles on the Mercedes Smart, and the only reason it was sold, was because of the real nuisance of travelling to Manchester to have it serviced.

I know there's a lot of concern about remapping, especially by owners who have never had it done to their vehicle, but it's something I will always consider doing to a car I own, as i only have extremely positive experience with the process.
 
A nice and interesting review, but as I have prior past experience in the remapping of my past three cars I've owned, including my current Gti, I am still in the frame of mind, that it's a modification worth undertaking.

Just do your research, and choose the tuning company very carefully.

All I can say, is all my previous vehicles were totally reliable, and gave me no mechanical problems.

Unlike most of my cars, I put on nearly 78000 miles on the Mercedes Smart, and the only reason it was sold, was because of the real nuisance of travelling to Manchester to have it serviced.

I know there's a lot of concern about remapping, especially by owners who have never had it done to their vehicle, but it's something I will always consider doing to a car I own, as i only have extremely positive experience with the process.
I’d be interested to learn what approach your favourite tuner had towards the continuously variable oil pressure control on the Up! GTI. With the 3 cylinder EA211 being VW’s first foray into this technology, the continuously variable oil pressure is controlled by ECU parameters, which through extensive research and a very substantial budget have been determined through calculations based on certain other known parameters and conditions. The resultant increase in charge volume post-remap which has resulted in a maximum engine power output in excess of 23% will undoubtedly have rendered some of these parameters to be significantly different from their nominal values, the obvious effect of which would be suboptimal engine oil pressure. Unless of course, they have thoroughly evaluated this situation and have themselves decided upon a modified set of engine oil pressure parameters based on what they believe to be sufficient and credible real-world research and testing ?

I’d welcome thoughts and opinions of others on this topic, especially considering that it’s relatively new technology, and again, a first for VW.
 
I’d welcome thoughts and opinions of others on this topic, especially considering that it’s relatively new technology, and again, a first for VW.
Plasma coated cylinder liners on the ea211

Magnesium gearbox casing.

But we been here a few times before have we not?
 
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