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Car won't charge - yellow flashing light "selector not in P"

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#1 ·
Hey everyone,
just letting you know, that recently my 2019 e-UP! started to refuse to charge bcs it thinks I have no P on the gear selector even tho it is in the P also my dash shows P. The light on the charging socket is just flashing yellow/orange after plugging the charging cable.
I decided do do the full scan with VCDS cable and found nothing obvious, no error codes related to the charger module or other related components. I dug deeper and found e-Golf owners complaining about some microswitch going bad in the gear selector. I give it a go and I ordered new gear selector mechanism for 179 eur incl. VAT at dealership part no. 12E713025G (this thing had 4 revisions already vs. my old part in the car ending with letter C). This weekend I am planning to install it. Hope it will help to mitigate the issue. If anyone else had similar problem, i would like to hear your experience. Will keep you updated ...
 
#2 ·
Update - it took me 2 hrs to replace the gear selector, the most trickiest part to remove was the decoration panel beneath radio, there are 12 clips and they are holding strong, the position of them is on the picture. Use plastic L or J shaped trim removal tool and pull hard towards you from top side first
 

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Then just unscrew 4 torx screws (2 up, 2 below behind selector cover), remove buttons and cigarette lighter part, the tabs are on top and bottom of left side, then remove selector cover (do not push the button) and unplug it. After that remove lover cover panel, it has 2 easily accessible torx screws and the rest is holding just on clips.

Before removing selector, unscrew cable holding bolt (10mm) on the left side, then unscrew 4x 10mm bolts holding the mechanism, of course don't forget to unplug cable attached to it.

After that remove selector mechanism and cable ending from the ball joint and attach it back to the cable - do not tighten screw yet, this needs to be done after assembly.

Installation is reverse of removal, dont forget to pull cable towards you to engage P in the gearbox and tighten the screw holding the cable to the bracket.

FYI - replacement of this mechanism FIXED my issue.
 
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Then just unscrew 4 torx screws (2 up, 2 below behind selector cover), remove buttons and cigarette lighter part, the tabs are on top and bottom of left side, then remove selector cover (do not push the button) and unplug it. After that remove lover cover panel, it has 2 easily accessible torx screws and the rest is holding just on clips. Before removing selector, unscrew cable holding bolt (10mm) on the left side, then unscrew 4x 10mm bolts holding the mechanism, of course don't forget to unplug cable attached to it. After that remove selector mechanism and cable ending from the ball joint and attach it back to the cable - do not tighten screw yet, this needs to be done after assembly. Installation is reverse of removal, dont forget to pull cable towards you to engage P in the gearbox and tighten the screw holding the cable to the bracket. FYI - replacement of this mechanism FIXED my issue.
My Dad is over 70 and had a charging issue. Similarly a 2019 vehicle. VW dealer in Brighton took ages to find the fault and stated it was the gear lever fault so likely the same issue. They charged him GBP 1400 to fix it. He asked for the old parts but they refused, stating it was a health and safety issue !!!!! He’s been absolutely ripped off. Any thoughts?
 
#11 ·
I have had the blinking yellow when connecting the cable from my wall box three times now coming home from work on my e-up 2020, 36 000 km. The only way to get it going has been to start the car, select any gear and back to P and turn off. Then the charging starts. My two year warranty is gone.
 
#14 ·
Dunno, but there will be a means somewhere in the selector lever to identify to the control electronics what position it is in - usually done with switches or with sensors... It's a similar thing on automatics with IC engines.

It may be that the selector lever assembly cannot be disassembled, perhaps like a wiper or indicator stalk, and if the fault is within it (we don't know, and are only guessing at this point) it may need replacing. Hope not !
 
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I called VW and she told me that the problem with flashing yellow seems to be a common problem. Either the repair is free or I'll have to used my
insurance and then it would cost me 1 500 SEK (about $150). She's gonna investigate more and come back to me.
 
#17 ·
I called VW and she told me that the problem with flashing yellow seems to be a common problem. Either the repair is free or I'll have to used my
insurance and then it would cost me 1 500 SEK (about $150). She's gonna investigate more and come back to me.
Ok, thats good. I solved the problem by loosen the screw for the cable to the gearbox, and then tightened it again. Seems that it just needed some adjustment😁.
 
#18 ·
Sounds like a micro-switch not quite making or breaking somewhere - but good that it is sorted!
 
#19 ·
After a bit more trouble-shooting...another way to test is to park the car up- or downhill. In my case it´s working ok parked downhill, but not uphill.
I guess the force on the gearmechanism affects a microswitch in some way :) . Still has to be fixed, but later :cool:
 
#20 ·
Tomorrow VW's gonna fix my car. Since three days ago I just can't charge the normal way. Yellow slow blink as the lever is not in P. Ignition on and the charging never fails. Strange i think but that's the way it is now.
 
#42 ·
According to a German e-vehicle forum the microswitch shown in the picture is not the only one signalling position. According to that forum there are several Hall-effect sensors located to the left and downwards on the circuit board outside your eminent photo. They interact with a magnet on the gear selector. The soldering of these sensors has been shown to be damaged in cases with this problem. It may well be that these hall effect sensors are responsible for feeding position information to the control unit of the vehicle charger. So if it is faily easy to disassemble the gear selector to inspect the soldering legs of these hall sensors it would be easy to resolder faulty ones to the board. Huge savings if this is true! See Fahrzeug lädt nicht! P wird nicht erkannt. - e-up!, Citigoe iV, Mii electric - Laden, Ladeequipment • VW e-up!, Skoda Citigoe iV, Seat Mii electric - Elektroauto Forum
 
#27 ·
So from what people here have said it seems thst the computer/charge controller polls both the "gear" selector position and the position of the mechanical stop that slides into the gear train in "P" And if that isn't fully engaged it refuses to "handshake" the charger and start the charge. So i guess that if we have this problem we should look at the cable not fully activating the stop first - may just be adjustment. If not it could be either sensor/switch so a meter would help.
 
#29 ·
Nonsense - they surely can't hide behind H&S for a gear lever? Get their reasoning in writing and go to trading standards.
I bet frozen chickens* are statistically more dangerous than gear levers, as a physical object, but you are allowed to pick one up in a supermarket....

*not to be confused with test_driver's cold thighs.
 
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#31 ·
That's a microswitch.
If faulty, a new one can probably be sourced online an soldered in.....
 
#36 ·
Thank you Bo9988! Obviously a lazy VW-shop here in Uddevalla. If necessary I will go elsewhere. But I found out that the issue disappears if I leave the P-gear mechanism unloaded by firmly setting the parking brake before I release the footbrake and engage the P-position. As long as it lasts...
 
#37 ·
How did it go? I have a Seat Mii electric with exactly the same issue. I believe its basically the same car. Been able to charge it with this issue for a while but now it always flash yellow no matter what i do. Im able to charge with ignition on though..